At least the problem statement has been cleared up a bit:
- You need Elites to organize your hobby lest it dies or never even comes to be.
- You need those same Elites to resist the siren call of meta-gaming the meta to the detriment of a higher calling/meta. (Thus creating a consoomer class)
- You need those Elites to be your Elites.
I think that perhaps if you could design the hobby from the ground up with that in mind, wherein you teach your players those facts via the game mechanics, maybe it could just work?
Hopefully this can be alleviated as these sorts of games inevitably move more online, thus making it easier for people with common values to play them together. I am also a big fan of these sorts of games, but when I try to play them in-person, the pool of people I can potentially play with is extremely limited by lots of obvious factors, and is often more hassle than it's worth when I've got a lot else already going on in life.
I sympathize and I really would like to have a stable offline community that I could count on for some regular gaming. Unfortunately, the constraints imposed by meeting up IRL lead to such communities being inevitably leftist for the same reason that everything more generally is leftist. If you want a cool kids club with no libtards allowed, it's pretty much only possible to do that online right now. We can sit here and dream of a day when that might change but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Some of the most important formative experiences I had was tryharding at MTG as a teenager and being tutored by a bunch of edgy 90s nerds at my lgs back in Brazil, I dont think that scene exists anymore and its a shame something like that is gone, it was like a boys club but with cardgames and trpgs.
I see the same thing in comics. They have made all the mainstream issues hyper violent or woke unaesthetic stuff. On a wall of current issues, perhaps two out of 100 are actually good to core comic book fans.
I think Robert Conquest’s second law applies here in that committed leftists will infiltrate and push any organization that does not stand for conservative or traditional values explicitly. If they can do it to Warhammer for goodness sake with its hyper masculine kill the xenos, then nothing is safe unless it is explicit like Warhorse Studios that produce the successful AA “Deliverance: Kingdom Come” video game series whose owner is openly anti-Woke.
At least the problem statement has been cleared up a bit:
- You need Elites to organize your hobby lest it dies or never even comes to be.
- You need those same Elites to resist the siren call of meta-gaming the meta to the detriment of a higher calling/meta. (Thus creating a consoomer class)
- You need those Elites to be your Elites.
I think that perhaps if you could design the hobby from the ground up with that in mind, wherein you teach your players those facts via the game mechanics, maybe it could just work?
A good summary
Hopefully this can be alleviated as these sorts of games inevitably move more online, thus making it easier for people with common values to play them together. I am also a big fan of these sorts of games, but when I try to play them in-person, the pool of people I can potentially play with is extremely limited by lots of obvious factors, and is often more hassle than it's worth when I've got a lot else already going on in life.
The whole reason I play these games is to get offline.
I sympathize and I really would like to have a stable offline community that I could count on for some regular gaming. Unfortunately, the constraints imposed by meeting up IRL lead to such communities being inevitably leftist for the same reason that everything more generally is leftist. If you want a cool kids club with no libtards allowed, it's pretty much only possible to do that online right now. We can sit here and dream of a day when that might change but I'm not getting my hopes up.
The IRL stuff if coming together TBH.
Some of the most important formative experiences I had was tryharding at MTG as a teenager and being tutored by a bunch of edgy 90s nerds at my lgs back in Brazil, I dont think that scene exists anymore and its a shame something like that is gone, it was like a boys club but with cardgames and trpgs.
I see the same thing in comics. They have made all the mainstream issues hyper violent or woke unaesthetic stuff. On a wall of current issues, perhaps two out of 100 are actually good to core comic book fans.
I think Robert Conquest’s second law applies here in that committed leftists will infiltrate and push any organization that does not stand for conservative or traditional values explicitly. If they can do it to Warhammer for goodness sake with its hyper masculine kill the xenos, then nothing is safe unless it is explicit like Warhorse Studios that produce the successful AA “Deliverance: Kingdom Come” video game series whose owner is openly anti-Woke.