It will get worse. The courts are already acting as activists. When you start drinking a liter+ of vodka per week, you will understand what life in the Soviet Union was like, with the same madness being used in political, and daily life. Only that focus was on class, rather than race or sexual identity.
My Brother is a Gay young man. No one will believe me but i assert that he CHOSE this "identitiy", and he did it for social prestige and out of a need for group protection. It is almost as if he announced this to the world so he can gather sympathy, like a politician. Girls line up to be his friends and boys keep away from him because they fear the power of the LGBT mafia. He is pratically untouchable as of right now. Both my parents support him like crazy because they are afraid of heresy. Our only fight was on the Disney transgender issue and he backed the transgeder kids. Thats when all my suspicions of the "good homossexual" fell apart.
I tell you man it's been a wild ride watching my very own brother become the type of person that would "stone me" or so to speak. And to watch my living family get behind him in fear of social outcasting is uncanny. Had my grandfather, a highly patriarchal and wise man, live to see this, he would call the spade a spade. In fact, now that i think about it, my brother waited for the old powerful guy to die to announce it. The bastard.
I get you Greene, i do, but mercy is what got us into this bullshit to begin with. We are too lenient. If a "prophet king" arises, he needs to restore order, and that will take some deal of making examples. Thank you for being the only long-ish article i've read in weeks. People in our cycle are skimping it on substack.
This was a nice read before bed. I had spent the weekend trying to collect my thoughts on a deeper level on the issues of the past two weeks and figure out a point. I appreciate an alternative viewpoint for a path that I did not travel in that collection.
The gay stuff always felt uncomfortable to me, especially the plastic nature to it all. My father has a subscription to the Daily Wire and I once made him super uncomfortable by informing him that Dave Rubin had two industrial freezers full of breast milk because he wanted to use technology to replace motherhood in surrogacy. I don’t hate Dave, but after learning of this, I think of him as a psycker. One wrong move and a portal full of demons that slaughter with glee will move in and destroy us all? What do you do about such people?
Loved the piece, Dave. I remember how the Good Gay archetype came into being, at least from my own perspective. Back in the 90’s and 2000’s there was a lot of performative “manliness” that was really loutish slob behavior at a time when men were stepping away from real responsibilities such as parenting and keeping social order. Even the “good dad” on sitcoms was a derpy wimp bossed around by his wife and kids. A lot of the smart gays - the ones who hadn’t died of AIDS in the 80’s - came off as fresh air in a frat house with their erudition, honesty, and love of higher culture.
If I have a point it’s this: the way to get rid of the conditions for rampant homosexual culture is authentic male culture: non performative, unpretentious, comradely, and actively taking on dignified responsibility. The best way to rebuild the Golden Gay Calf, though, is to wallow in the cringey performative “based” crap. I like how you call this stuff out.
I had the "good gay" thing pounded into my by the school system (we had so many freaking assemblies for horrible organizations like Gay Straight Alliance) and pop culture hard in the 2000s but my natural disgust at it returned pretty quickly as adult. It was sold more as "hey they are exactly the same as you in every way!" as the whole effeminate gay guy thing from shows like Queer Eye for the straight guy was already extremely uncool at this point. I even had a gay roommate at one point in my life during college and even though he was relatively normal in many ways observing him up close made it clear that there was nothing normal about how he was living his life. There seems to have a concerted efforted for "good transgender" in the last few years as well but that completely flopped because it's so antinomian that it just can't be forced in the same way, that person is so obviously not just like everyone else that no one is buying it.
This piece felt like a thousand-pound bomb to me, especially the first section. You picked at a few things I've been grappling with for a steaming-hot minute here.
You're right: we have a narrative problem. It's not just that Wokeism is bad, or the USSR, or the Civil Rights regime, or turn-of-the-century Progressivism, or the French Revolution, or the American Revolution; it's that the underlying ideological narrative of it all going back some four hundred years is itself wrong.
On the "right" more broadly, this is the problem. Neocons and normiecons can't fix the problem when the "patriot conservative icons" of the 1770s they so idolize were, in fact, on the wrong side. You can't go back there; at most you reset the clock a century or two (Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, after all)
At least we in this dissident sphere recognize the problem and can call it out. The question then becomes how to mobilize and direct our efforts towards crafting the "new" (old) narrative that fixes this /for real/, and boy, that's a much tougher nut to crack than simply identifying the problem. We're waiting for a rightful king to raise a new banner.
One of my good friends at work had a brother who came out as homosexual. You would be hard-pressed to find a bigger sociopath in existence. Time did not give me any counterexamples, as the gay men I knew either fell into the depraved pervert and psychopath category, or grossly effeminate and passive one. The successful propaganda campaign to turn these guys into something "cool" never ceases to amaze me. Luckily, that's becoming a much harder task than it used to.
The lesbians universally had daddy issues or a sexual experience with a male that traumatized them.
Part of my challenge with how to behave towards (non-outwardly hyperpolitical) homosexuals it is a feeling of 'who am I to throw stones', having a great many modern vices myself which I've only slowly be cutting myself off from - it's easy to imagine how under certain conditions (early abuse, uninvolved parents, hormonal imbalance issues, etc.) I could have ended up in a more unhealthy place. As non-theoretical example I have a very kind lesbian neighbor who I know had an extremely challenging upbringing. This is a real person with a soul and a life who has gone out of her way to help my family for nothing in return - to damn her in any material way at this point would feel like a total betrayal. Maybe I am soft.
But I think a big role of the inevitable vitalist king/prophet characters will be the wisdom to separate those who can be saved from those who can't. Not through pogroms or anything so blunt, but more of a "climb in the arc now or never" type moment in the future - and I fear those who can't be saved will very happily go down with the sinking ship.
I can easily imagine the transition from extreme progressive to its antithesis because I made that journey. Was a feminist atheist bisexual philandering socialist peacenik green vegan kook, and quite militant and loud about it. Now am a Christian white nationalist with a shotgun and a monogamous trad marriage. Absolutely loathe the left and all its works. Long for a cabin in a red state near family and allies. Nothing red-pills a person like dodging sidewalk excrement and syringes in a majority-minority blue urban hell hole where the taxes are too high, the police never arrive, and Merry Christmas is forbidden.
We are witnessing the slow forever drip drip drip of a decaying American Hegemony. Will it ever end? Nope... just the drip drip drip like a water torture method.
Who can resist any of this? One people can. The Amish.
Dude, I’m from Philly; the kid who killed him was 15 when he was raped by the 35 year old gay woke pedo short-eyes activist. Get your shit straight ffs.
I don’t think it’s correct to say we have to go back 400 years-- a century ago there were many options on the table.
Blank slate ideology is the bedrock of woke on race, gender, and homo rights. It only colonized our institutions in the mid twentieth century. Genetic realism had some powerful influence until then, to put it mildly.
Two world wars and a Cold War got us here, but many other ideological narratives were available after Newton and Darwin fatally wounded Christ.
I think Spengler had it right-- nothing human lasts, we’d end up in some form of decadence and collapse eventually. All we can do is keep our honor relatively clean as individuals and a as society. Tough on crime laws and a tranny surgery ban may be the best we can do as we wait for the tide to drown us.
To add to this great analusis. One lf the main breakdowns we see, is the breakfo
breakfasdown of the global, hegenonic order, of globohomo in the sense of global homogenisation. That overall culture that we can refer to as mainstream culture, is going away. Fast.
So we will not have a restoration of this global culture under a single global king, a space emperor. We will have a multitude of religious revivals under a multitude of petty kings. The new hegemony that will come from that, is still centuries in the future.
If you're understanding of things such as homosexuality was ever shaped (in either direction) by Dan Savage or Andrew Sullivan, it calls into question everything you have ever written or will write - and the narrowness of the scope in which you are capable of perceiving the world. Shall I base my beliefs on traditionalism/natalism by observing the behavior of one Jim Bob Duggar? And amongst my heterosexual friends, I am not short in of examples of their moral failings.
Speaking of your moral failings - sniveling cowardice. You tell a story in weak anecdotes, caked in elegant rhetoric, but vapid at the core - beyond being a story of persistent lifelong spinelessness. Sexual liberation was good until it made you uncomfortable, and reaction is good until it does the same.
This post could not be more whiny or self-indulgent. Either you want Total Gay Death or you don't. You hedge between the two because your heart isn't it for mass murder, but you feel like it should be. Fire and Brimstone sounds enchanting until you have to put faces to the fire. Or perhaps you're in the game of trying to talk yourself into it, contriving a notion of moral vitality that puts you at ease. All of this and you're not even an SS officer trying to generate within the righteous necessary to follow his stated directive in Buchenwald, but a low-ranking YouTuber of minor renown.
I will give you one truth: You are neither as smart nor as clever as you hold yourself to be. Should the storm you prophesize arrive, it will sweep past you and targets you struggle to hate - and create the fuel for deaths on a scale far greater than you can comprehend. And for the record, it will come initially on matters of race - targeting the usual suspects - not homosexuality (though they would, quite inevitably, burn too) - and it will come via grown-up versions of the kids on Twitter who post TND memes. A nice feature of those things is they inevitably capture those like you, who tend to fail the purity spiral shittests.
It will get worse. The courts are already acting as activists. When you start drinking a liter+ of vodka per week, you will understand what life in the Soviet Union was like, with the same madness being used in political, and daily life. Only that focus was on class, rather than race or sexual identity.
My Brother is a Gay young man. No one will believe me but i assert that he CHOSE this "identitiy", and he did it for social prestige and out of a need for group protection. It is almost as if he announced this to the world so he can gather sympathy, like a politician. Girls line up to be his friends and boys keep away from him because they fear the power of the LGBT mafia. He is pratically untouchable as of right now. Both my parents support him like crazy because they are afraid of heresy. Our only fight was on the Disney transgender issue and he backed the transgeder kids. Thats when all my suspicions of the "good homossexual" fell apart.
I tell you man it's been a wild ride watching my very own brother become the type of person that would "stone me" or so to speak. And to watch my living family get behind him in fear of social outcasting is uncanny. Had my grandfather, a highly patriarchal and wise man, live to see this, he would call the spade a spade. In fact, now that i think about it, my brother waited for the old powerful guy to die to announce it. The bastard.
I get you Greene, i do, but mercy is what got us into this bullshit to begin with. We are too lenient. If a "prophet king" arises, he needs to restore order, and that will take some deal of making examples. Thank you for being the only long-ish article i've read in weeks. People in our cycle are skimping it on substack.
This was a nice read before bed. I had spent the weekend trying to collect my thoughts on a deeper level on the issues of the past two weeks and figure out a point. I appreciate an alternative viewpoint for a path that I did not travel in that collection.
The gay stuff always felt uncomfortable to me, especially the plastic nature to it all. My father has a subscription to the Daily Wire and I once made him super uncomfortable by informing him that Dave Rubin had two industrial freezers full of breast milk because he wanted to use technology to replace motherhood in surrogacy. I don’t hate Dave, but after learning of this, I think of him as a psycker. One wrong move and a portal full of demons that slaughter with glee will move in and destroy us all? What do you do about such people?
Anyway off to sleep.
Loved the piece, Dave. I remember how the Good Gay archetype came into being, at least from my own perspective. Back in the 90’s and 2000’s there was a lot of performative “manliness” that was really loutish slob behavior at a time when men were stepping away from real responsibilities such as parenting and keeping social order. Even the “good dad” on sitcoms was a derpy wimp bossed around by his wife and kids. A lot of the smart gays - the ones who hadn’t died of AIDS in the 80’s - came off as fresh air in a frat house with their erudition, honesty, and love of higher culture.
If I have a point it’s this: the way to get rid of the conditions for rampant homosexual culture is authentic male culture: non performative, unpretentious, comradely, and actively taking on dignified responsibility. The best way to rebuild the Golden Gay Calf, though, is to wallow in the cringey performative “based” crap. I like how you call this stuff out.
I had the "good gay" thing pounded into my by the school system (we had so many freaking assemblies for horrible organizations like Gay Straight Alliance) and pop culture hard in the 2000s but my natural disgust at it returned pretty quickly as adult. It was sold more as "hey they are exactly the same as you in every way!" as the whole effeminate gay guy thing from shows like Queer Eye for the straight guy was already extremely uncool at this point. I even had a gay roommate at one point in my life during college and even though he was relatively normal in many ways observing him up close made it clear that there was nothing normal about how he was living his life. There seems to have a concerted efforted for "good transgender" in the last few years as well but that completely flopped because it's so antinomian that it just can't be forced in the same way, that person is so obviously not just like everyone else that no one is buying it.
This piece hit me hard. I will be re-reading it, and pondering.
This piece felt like a thousand-pound bomb to me, especially the first section. You picked at a few things I've been grappling with for a steaming-hot minute here.
You're right: we have a narrative problem. It's not just that Wokeism is bad, or the USSR, or the Civil Rights regime, or turn-of-the-century Progressivism, or the French Revolution, or the American Revolution; it's that the underlying ideological narrative of it all going back some four hundred years is itself wrong.
On the "right" more broadly, this is the problem. Neocons and normiecons can't fix the problem when the "patriot conservative icons" of the 1770s they so idolize were, in fact, on the wrong side. You can't go back there; at most you reset the clock a century or two (Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, after all)
At least we in this dissident sphere recognize the problem and can call it out. The question then becomes how to mobilize and direct our efforts towards crafting the "new" (old) narrative that fixes this /for real/, and boy, that's a much tougher nut to crack than simply identifying the problem. We're waiting for a rightful king to raise a new banner.
One of my good friends at work had a brother who came out as homosexual. You would be hard-pressed to find a bigger sociopath in existence. Time did not give me any counterexamples, as the gay men I knew either fell into the depraved pervert and psychopath category, or grossly effeminate and passive one. The successful propaganda campaign to turn these guys into something "cool" never ceases to amaze me. Luckily, that's becoming a much harder task than it used to.
The lesbians universally had daddy issues or a sexual experience with a male that traumatized them.
Part of my challenge with how to behave towards (non-outwardly hyperpolitical) homosexuals it is a feeling of 'who am I to throw stones', having a great many modern vices myself which I've only slowly be cutting myself off from - it's easy to imagine how under certain conditions (early abuse, uninvolved parents, hormonal imbalance issues, etc.) I could have ended up in a more unhealthy place. As non-theoretical example I have a very kind lesbian neighbor who I know had an extremely challenging upbringing. This is a real person with a soul and a life who has gone out of her way to help my family for nothing in return - to damn her in any material way at this point would feel like a total betrayal. Maybe I am soft.
But I think a big role of the inevitable vitalist king/prophet characters will be the wisdom to separate those who can be saved from those who can't. Not through pogroms or anything so blunt, but more of a "climb in the arc now or never" type moment in the future - and I fear those who can't be saved will very happily go down with the sinking ship.
I can easily imagine the transition from extreme progressive to its antithesis because I made that journey. Was a feminist atheist bisexual philandering socialist peacenik green vegan kook, and quite militant and loud about it. Now am a Christian white nationalist with a shotgun and a monogamous trad marriage. Absolutely loathe the left and all its works. Long for a cabin in a red state near family and allies. Nothing red-pills a person like dodging sidewalk excrement and syringes in a majority-minority blue urban hell hole where the taxes are too high, the police never arrive, and Merry Christmas is forbidden.
We are witnessing the slow forever drip drip drip of a decaying American Hegemony. Will it ever end? Nope... just the drip drip drip like a water torture method.
Who can resist any of this? One people can. The Amish.
Dude, I’m from Philly; the kid who killed him was 15 when he was raped by the 35 year old gay woke pedo short-eyes activist. Get your shit straight ffs.
"the example most readily at hand is the war in Gaza. Being a completely ineffable war emerging out of no classical political logic"
The logic is very clear.
It's good old fashioned ethnic and religious war.
I don’t think it’s correct to say we have to go back 400 years-- a century ago there were many options on the table.
Blank slate ideology is the bedrock of woke on race, gender, and homo rights. It only colonized our institutions in the mid twentieth century. Genetic realism had some powerful influence until then, to put it mildly.
Two world wars and a Cold War got us here, but many other ideological narratives were available after Newton and Darwin fatally wounded Christ.
I think Spengler had it right-- nothing human lasts, we’d end up in some form of decadence and collapse eventually. All we can do is keep our honor relatively clean as individuals and a as society. Tough on crime laws and a tranny surgery ban may be the best we can do as we wait for the tide to drown us.
To add to this great analusis. One lf the main breakdowns we see, is the breakfo
breakfasdown of the global, hegenonic order, of globohomo in the sense of global homogenisation. That overall culture that we can refer to as mainstream culture, is going away. Fast.
So we will not have a restoration of this global culture under a single global king, a space emperor. We will have a multitude of religious revivals under a multitude of petty kings. The new hegemony that will come from that, is still centuries in the future.
Obscene degrees of intellectual dishonesty.
If you're understanding of things such as homosexuality was ever shaped (in either direction) by Dan Savage or Andrew Sullivan, it calls into question everything you have ever written or will write - and the narrowness of the scope in which you are capable of perceiving the world. Shall I base my beliefs on traditionalism/natalism by observing the behavior of one Jim Bob Duggar? And amongst my heterosexual friends, I am not short in of examples of their moral failings.
Speaking of your moral failings - sniveling cowardice. You tell a story in weak anecdotes, caked in elegant rhetoric, but vapid at the core - beyond being a story of persistent lifelong spinelessness. Sexual liberation was good until it made you uncomfortable, and reaction is good until it does the same.
This post could not be more whiny or self-indulgent. Either you want Total Gay Death or you don't. You hedge between the two because your heart isn't it for mass murder, but you feel like it should be. Fire and Brimstone sounds enchanting until you have to put faces to the fire. Or perhaps you're in the game of trying to talk yourself into it, contriving a notion of moral vitality that puts you at ease. All of this and you're not even an SS officer trying to generate within the righteous necessary to follow his stated directive in Buchenwald, but a low-ranking YouTuber of minor renown.
I will give you one truth: You are neither as smart nor as clever as you hold yourself to be. Should the storm you prophesize arrive, it will sweep past you and targets you struggle to hate - and create the fuel for deaths on a scale far greater than you can comprehend. And for the record, it will come initially on matters of race - targeting the usual suspects - not homosexuality (though they would, quite inevitably, burn too) - and it will come via grown-up versions of the kids on Twitter who post TND memes. A nice feature of those things is they inevitably capture those like you, who tend to fail the purity spiral shittests.
God speed.