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I want to start this comment off with a clear statement of my generation and political position. I am a Zoomer, and I am a Radical, and I believe this gives me a unique perspective on the article's topic. But before I begin, I want to clarify another thing: I am not an intellectual; if anything, I am one of the “children of a proletarianised middle America”, but to even invoke the word “proletarianised” is to invoke a Zeitgeist that no longer exists. There's no reason to resurrect Marx's slogans when our elites have given us perfect words of our own, Essential and non-Essential.

Which comes to the heart of my criticism: This article is a perfect example of the phenomenon I call “Right-wing Millennial Thermidorian Reaction,” like the historic French moderates of the original Thermidor, the comfortably middle-class Millennial reactionary sees the “Dissident Right Revolution” quickly moving past their comfortable bourgeois (non-Essential) beliefs, and hastens to yell Stop! But much to their terror, they find the majority of the Zoomer crowd not listening or, more correctly, not understanding.

This is no fault of the millennial reactionary; they just ran into a divide that has grown between the millennial and the Zoomer. Millennials remember the good times, and the Zoomer does not, and because of this, the Zoomer has no investment in the societal order around them. "The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.”

This now brings me to my second criticism of the article: the complete misunderstanding of what the “Diner-goths” are. First, the “Diner-goths” are not a creation of the Boomers; they are the creation of the millennials themselves. You actually cover this in your article, though you missed it. Lindy West, The Woke Revolution, and the Gaming Counter Revolution and even yourself, are the ideological parents of the “Diner-goth.”

“The Diner-goth bases her life on digital tropes, alienation from 'Boomer' promises, and adherence to a low-investment internet monoculture that transcends national boundaries.”

The more correct versions of this sentence replace 'Boomer' with 'millennial'. Actually, this sentence has a lot more wrong with it than just one word: “adherence to a low-investment internet monoculture that transcends national boundaries.” Once again, it's a complete misunderstanding of the phenomenon, and calling it a subculture is a total misunderstanding. Take it for someone who works with the “Diner Goth” phenomenon, both its male and female varieties. This is not a subculture; this is, as you put it, their “authentic” selves.

Social media is not dead, at least not for the Zoomer; the more accurate way to phrase it is that social media has consumed the Zoomer's “real world,” or that Social media is more real than their boring, uncultured real-world life. For example, I am writing this after an 11-hour shift at my blue-collar logistics job. The average White and white-passing Hispanic Zoomer is not going home like his millennial, Gen X, and Boomer coworkers to get drunk and pass out in front of the TV. They're going home to go on to Discord, hang out with their friends from around the world, play video games, discuss their favourite animes, watch porn, and do all the uncultural barbaric things Zoomers do online, because besides, they're boring Essential worker drone life that is all they can do, it's all they have left.

The complete collapse of “youth culture” and its replacement with a series of “low-investment internet monocultures" and Flandersized historic cultures, aka Trad Grooner Christianity, Neopagan YouTube mysticism or Twitter Neo 20th century ideological schizophrenia. Once again, it isn't the fault of the Boomer, at least not alone, but of the millennial. Tumblr, 4chan, Twitter, and the broader online culture were created by millennials and then poisoned by the millennials' Revolutions, both the woke and counter-woke varieties. We (The Zoomer) were promised a Utopian Progressive liberalism or Conservatism Renaissance, but we got nothing; if anything, we got something worse, a highly ideological hollowed-out wasteland of culture and a cast of millennial cultural creators who refuse to abandon the politics of the 2000s. If you want to see how desolate it is, go look at Zoomer core Memes online.

So don't be surprised when the uncultured Zoomer embraces foreign cultures like Japan and the Middle East, as well as historical ones like the Pre-Protestant Reformation or Pagan Europe. Because that's fundamentally what the “Diner Goth” is: a Digital nomad. They have no culture, so they seek to construct one from the remnants of previous civilisations or from foreign ones. They are a cultural dead end for the West, but they have a future because they are the children of the West. They are the inheritors of the ruins.

Now comes my final criticism: you'll call for a life to live, “authentic”, real-world life. I believe this is nothing but a Spanglerian “Second religiosity”: you want to sit down and form a bridge of understanding with a hyper-Progressive liberal and a soft return to the politics of the Non-essential worker. This will never happen. The millennial Progressive, even in their own ruin, still wants you dead and your family destroyed. This again is why your take and the larger denouncing of the Dissident Right by its millennial thought leaders is nothing more than a Thermidorian Reaction; you are surrendering any attempt to change the system and looking for a compromise to “save” the system. This is what the reactionary is, and forever will be a cuck to the left, and all I can say to that is

“Viva la revolución”

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Very good but isn't you dead the 'better future' your leftist neighbors are looking for?

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